December 18th, 2008
Eliot’s interview with Andrw Preis at the 92d St. Y, NYC
92Y Conversation with Eliot Fisk
On December 31st, guitar virtuoso Eliot Fisk returns to the 92nd Street Y for its annual Champagne New Year’s Eve Concert at 8 pm. He will be joined by guitarist Zaira Meneses, the Ensō String Quartet and Richard Savino on continuo for a program of Vivaldi, Bach, Paganin and Boccherini.
In this conversation, he talks about his first appearances at the Y, his relationship with the legendary Andrés Segovia, his approach to transcribing, and his plans for the concert.
For more information, visit www.92Y.org/concerts
92Y: Your first concert here at the 92nd Street Y was on a holiday, too, wasn’t it?
EF: Yes, it was October 31, 1977. I had just gotten my Master’s from Yale the previous May, and the marvelous tenor Robert White called me out of the blue and asked me if I would take part in his program on how music can expand on poetry. We included some lovely songs by John Dowland and other Elizabethan composers.
92Y: And so your Y career began.
EF: Yes, but I really think of my next concert here as my Y debut. That was on March 20, 1979, and it was my first time working with soprano Victoria de Los Angeles, with whom I later played quite a number of concerts. I also remember performing Vivaldi here with the Y Chamber Symphony [later to become the New York Chamber Symphony]. I also came to the Y as an audience member for concerts where I heard many people, like Leo Brouwer and, right at the start of his career, Yo-Yo Ma.
92Y: Certainly one key to the start of your career was Andrés Segovia. You were one of his last pupils, weren’t you?
EF: It is impossible to imagine now how anyone could dominate any instrument the way Segovia dominated the guitar. We now have so many great artists who serve their instruments so well, but at that time in history, Segovia enjoyed an eminence in the guitar world to match that of Einstein in the field of physics. He brought about the boom in classical guitar.
I began playing guitar at age 7, but when I was starting out, there were so few professional guitarists. Like so many others in my generation, I had to teach myself a lot of things. But I listened to Segovia’s records hundreds of times throughout my formative years. When I listen to really old recordings of myself, I realize just how much I sounded like him.
92Y: So how did you meet?
EF: It was on February 4, 1974, during one of his extended tours of the U.S. The famous Rose Augustine of the Augustine Guitar String Company introduced me to Segovia at his hotel, the Westbury at 69th and Madison. That meeting turned into a 2 ½ hour lesson. As a result of that, Segovia told me that whenever he was in New York, I was to call the hotel. Invariably, we would spend several hours working together. Despite our age difference, there was a tremendous chemistry between us. By the time of our lessons, I had studied Segovia’s recordings so much that I often knew what he would say to me even before he said it. He was a wonderful friend to me.
And he was that way with other young guitarists as well. So these days I try to do the same with younger players myself.
92Y: It is a guitarist’s lot in life that they can’t just be a player, they have to be a transcriber and arranger too. The Paganini Caprice No. 24 in A minor that we’ll hear is in fact one of your signature pieces. What’s your approach to transcribing?
EF: The main thing is to use your ear. The transcription should maintain the original’s spirit but fit the guitar. Segovia said you should only make a transcription if it will be even better than the original!
The whole issue of musical interpretation, or the deciphering of a composer’s notation, is a fascinating process. You try to get into the composer’s mind as you study the score, but for all your efforts, there are going to be some things you won’t be able to comprehend.
92Y: So then what do you do?
EF: I try to follow the philosophy of the great literary critic Harold Bloom. Bloom has said that you can never read a poem correctly, that the best we can hope for is to misread it strongly. I try to transcribe strongly. Of course, it’s easier when you’re transcribing a living composer’s work, because you can then ask the composer. The other important point is to transcribe what you love. You should transcribe works that will make you happy when you’re playing them.
92Y: Did you just say you transcribe works of living composers? Normally we think of transcriptions as re-workings of the great, and late, masters.
EF: Certainly I’ve transcribed music of living composers. I did some of Berio’s violin duets, even though everyone said they were impossible to transcribe. I’ve done Rochberg. I’ve done Corigliano; I asked John, “What more can I steal from you?” He told me about his Red Violin Caprices, but was uncertain as to whether or not they would work on guitar. I think they sound sensational on guitar, and early next year I will record my transcription of them.
92Y: Yet you also do lots of commissioning new works, not just rewriting current ones, right?
EF: Of course. I’ve commissioned many composers. One of my favorites was Luciano Berio—he wrote perfectly for the guitar. Also George Rochberg left a huge body of work as a result of our collaboration. This coming year I’m particularly looking forward to Robert Beaser’s Concerto for Guitar and Orchestra, which I’ll play in Zankel Hall on May 1 with the American Composers Orchestra, one of the co-commissioners.
I especially like commissioning composers who don’t know the guitar. They dream up things I wouldn’t imagine for myself, so we nourish each other. The Austrian composer Kurt Schwertsik is a good example of this. I just finished recording his monumental work for solo guitar, entitled Ein kleines Requiem. Yet in all of this work with so many wonderful composers, I have often asked for and received permission to make little changes to make the works more idiomatic.
92Y: Let’s turn now to the New Year’s Eve concert. You’ll be performing with your wife, Mexican guitarist Zaira Meneses. Do you two perform together regularly?
EF: We do perform together a few times a year on special occasions. We play well together, without any rehearsal, even though we’re very different types of players. Zaira has a perfect musical instinct. The Vivaldi Concerto for Two Mandolins will be a lovely way for us to open the concert with the terrific young Ensō String Quartet.
I’m also so happy that I could invite Richard Savino to play continuo with us. A couple of decades back Richard studied classical guitar with me before moving to specialize in Baroque instruments. It will be delightful to have him along, and I’m sure we’ll have lots of fun improvising together.
92Y: You’ve also selected one of Boccherini’s quintets for guitar and strings. How did these works come about?
EF: Boccherini wrote about a dozen quintets for guitar and strings due in part to a patron of his who was an amateur guitarist. You can tell just how much of an amateur this patron was because the guitar part is very basic, nothing more than a sketch and often doubled in the other instruments. On the other hand, this means I get to improvise a lot, which is a lot of fun.
92Y: Finally, we’re grateful you’re giving up your New Year’s Eve to celebrate with us. How do you and Zaira usually spend the night?
EF: Actually, we’ve been playing on New Year’s Eve four years in a row. Last year it was in Salzburg, Austria, but this year we’re especially excited to be coming back to the Y.